Episode #9: Sophia FitzMedrud – Full Transcription2018-01-31T20:27:09-07:00

Lisa: 00:00 Hello, you are listening to the Super Power U Podcast. This is episode #9.

VO: 00:09 Welcome to the Super Power U Podcast where we revealed a mental models and tactical skills needed to activate your inner Superhero. And here's your host, Lisa Betts-LaCroix.

Lisa: 00:19 Hello my lovelies and a welcome back to the show. Today's episode is perfect for anyone who thinks even for one moment that young people can't change the world. My guest is Sophia FitzMedrud. She is the author of the novel “Of Fish and Friend; Swimming 30 miles an hour with a Boy in a Patchwork Tailcoat”. She's part of the founding chapter of Heirs to Our Oceans, a global movement of youth taking the ocean crisis into their own hands by educating themselves and others and processing and advocating for solutions, and she is 14 years old.

Lisa: 01:01 As a result of my own personal experience and connections and my work with families who independently educate their kids outside of brick and mortar school I have the privilege of knowing many families who are trailblazing the future of learning, who are committed to doing things differently and to retaining in their children a passion for learning and who give their kids opportunities and freedom they couldn't experience in school.  Doing so sometimes requires making sacrifices of time, money, and more, but the result is often incredibly inspiring, thought-provoking heartening, and I think my conversation with Sophia illustrates what can happen when smart kids are given the opportunity to learn without limitations and when they are provided with stimulating environments and opportunities to learn and contribute in real-world ways. I hope you enjoy my conversation with this articulate and inspiring young woman as much as I did so. Let's jump right on in now and discover the Super Power I'll call Courageous Communication. As Sophia points out, having the courage to speak our minds in spite of the fact that there can sometimes be repercussions and friction is still worthwhile because it gives us the opportunity to collaborate with others and to make a difference in the world. Regardless of whether that difference is small or large. It is more than worth it, so we can all learn from Sophia's example, no matter our age. Let's all speak up and be bold.

2:43 Hello Sophia. Thank you so much for taking the time to come on the podcast today. No problem. I'm wondering if you can tell my audience something about yourself and tell me about your education because I think that is a bit unusual for many people.

Sophia: 02:58 I'm 14 in ninth grade. I just started high school this fall and I'm home-schooled so my mom will look for different curriculums and tools that she can use to teach me and then we'll talk about them and sometimes we'll try them out before deciding whether or not we want to actually use them.

Lisa: 03:20 So was it your choice to be homeschooled or how did it come about that you are homeschooled?

Sophia: 03:25 My mom actually decided that I was going to be home-schooled when I was about two and the story that I remember is that we used to live near a school like in middle school and she would watch the kids walking by and the older they were the Saturday they seemed and it was partially around that, that she decided she wanted to homeschool me and so I've been homeschooled as long as I can remember.

Lisa: 03:49 And is that your choice or are you happy with that or do sometimes think you'd want to go to school?

Sophia: 03:53 I would never want to go to school.

Lisa: 03:58 Tell me what your interests are when you have the freedom to think about or talk about or learn and explore topic areas of your choice. What do you find yourself doing?

Sophia: 04:08 For a long, long time my main interest was fantasy books. More recently I've also been interested in ocean conservation and science, specifically in endothermic fish.

Lisa: 04:27 So tell me a little bit more about that because I'm not all that versed in marine biology.

Sophia: 04:32 The lay-term, which isn't exactly accurate, would be warm-blooded, basically, so warm blooded fishes tuna, white sharks who are able to maintain their body temperature around the temperature of the water surrounding them.

Lisa: 04:44 I know you're really involved with Heirs To Our Oceans and I'll definitely want to ask you some more questions about that, but I'm curious to know if you got interested in marine biology through Heirs or if your interest in marine biology predated that.

Sophia: 04:58 It's difficult to say. I've been in Heirs for a year and a half now, so it's kind of hard to remember what I was like. Before that my family definitely did look at marine science and ocean conservation and my sibling was really interested in whales when she was around four and we got a membership to the Monterey Bay Aquarium for one of her birthdays around then. So I went to the aquarium a lot and I was mildly interested in it, but I'd say it wasn't really at the front of my mind.

Lisa: 05:31 So now that we're here, why don't you tell my listeners a little bit more about Heirs and what you all do together.

Sophia: 05:39 Heirs to Our Oceans is a rising tide of youth leaders around the globe dedicated to inspiring awareness, responsibility, and action amongst the youth worldwide to protect the oceans. So we research issues that we're interested in and then we start speaking out about them to inspire other kids and adults change their lifestyles in order to protect the planet for our generation.

Lisa: 06:01 And so what kind of difference do you suggest that people can make and how do you go about inspiring that change?

Sophia: 06:08 A lot of the individual changes that we ask people to make are lifestyle…like cutting down on plastics in your daily consumption…single-use plastics specifically. Cutting down on carbon emissions. That one tends to be really tough for a lot of us, especially in areas where we have to drive a lot of places like here.  And also working on cutting down seafood consumption. Those are three of the lifestyle changes people can make in order to do less damage to the oceans and to the ocean ecosystem.

Lisa: 06:43 How do you go about communicating that to people? Like what is the process? What does Heirs actually do?

Sophia: 06:49 We do presentations in various schools, festivals. We've been on panels, we do writings and also just talking to the regular people on the street and our friends.

Lisa: 07:02 What are some examples of talks that you've done?

Sophia: 07:05 Well, I've done a lot.  The recent one was at Hamlin School in San Francisco and I presented the Heirs mission. That is what Heirs is trying to do specifically. I'm other also done other things like in March of 2017 I was on a panel at the San Francisco International Ocean Film Festival and that was pretty exciting.

Lisa: 07:27 Now, what's the biggest difference you can imagine happening? Like is there a particular goal that you have in mind or a particular result?

Sophia: 07:34 Well, ideally the result would be having healthy ocean ecosystems and restoring them to their previous abundance and prosperity. I wouldn't say that there's any single small thing that we're working towards. I think it's a whole bunch of small things that we're trying to get to add up towards the monstrosity of a goal.

Lisa: 07:55 It's really a big task to take on to save the oceans all by your, by yourself, just getting people involved.  So at one point I saw you present on getting youth involved and encouraging youth to know that they can make a difference. If someone was to say to you, how could I possibly get involved in saving the oceans? It is such a huge task and I'm just a kid or I'm just a teenager. I can't possibly really make a difference so it's not worth my time. What might you say to them?

Sophia: 08:23 There's a massive amount of things that we as kids can do. The first thing to do would be to get educated and that can mean doing tons of research about science or it can mean trusting other people who've done that research and making sure, of course that it's reputable sources and everything, but it doesn't necessarily have to be a huge time consuming research project. It can just be “So hang on! There's a lot of plastic in the ocean. What can I do to fix that?” Then talk to people. Talk to your friends and your family to your community. Even to strangers and tell them what you've learned, tell them how you feel about it, tell them if it scares you, what you feel.  Then ask them to make lifestyle changes about the things that you've researched. Ask them to take on the challenges that you're taking on. And also, um, I figure I should probably mention to take on those challenges yourself.

Lisa: 09:22 Maybe it could just share a little bit about what you are doing and what, what aspects are more difficult or more easy for you?

Sophia: 09:28 I think the first thing that I really started trying to work on in my personal life, in my home with my family was reducing single use plastic consumption, which at first glance sounds like an incredibly daunting prospect. You look at your life and when you actually think about it, it's a huge amount of plastic that I used that I still use and it does feel massive at first. But I started thinking about ways to break it down. I looked at our refrigerator and I said, OK, here's a thing that we're buying every week. Let's say it was bread. And I said, “OK Mama, how can we get bread without plastic?” And the next time we went to the grocery store we found bread and paper and it was slightly more expensive, so we actually had to reduce the amount of bread that we bought. Sometimes bake it ourselves instead. Now I think it's been six months at least since we bought bread and plastic during an emergency, out of town. But I think it might have been six months since we did that.

Lisa: 10:34 I think what I'm hearing you say is that we should still take steps forward even if we can't be perfect. And I know for myself that part of me feels like everything is packed in plastic. So what I'm hearing you say, or what at least I think I'm understanding is that even if you can reduce your use of plastic with one food purchase that you generally make, that's better than not doing it at all.

Sophia: 10:54 Totally. If that's all you can afford, if that's all you have the emotional readiness for, by all means do it. That's a difference and a good difference. That difference, even if it might sound small.. that's one signal to the store from consumers saying, “we're fine with you buying plastic” that doesn't get sent. That's one vote against all the single use plastic. I mean, my family is by no means perfect. Last night we finished off a tub of sour cream and plastic and it's in some ways depressing, but I also remember that that type of sour cream was a gallon tub.

Lisa: 11:34 Different than buying, say five small containers.

Sophia: 11:37 Exactly. It's a difference even if it's not a huge difference. 

Lisa: 11:41 So, it sounds like another piece of it really is increased awareness. So even if you're not perfect right now and you're thinking about it in such a way that your awareness is increasing all the time as is your families.

Sophia: 11:52 Yeah. Being aware makes a huge difference.

Lisa: 11:56 And in your family, are you the motivator for making these changes and if so, are they pretty receptive to your ideas?

Sophia: 12:02 For a long time, I'd say was the main motivator, but my younger brother, he's four. I said to him, if we buy plastic, it might hurt the Mola Molas, which are very large, bony ocean sunfish, and since then, he's also been working towards that goal, which I think has been really uplifting to me.

Lisa: 12:21 It shows that you've already had an impact on at least one person and that's the step in the direction you want to go.

Sophia: 12:26 Yeah, definitely.

Lisa: 12:28 So maybe you can share what some of the actual risks are and explain some of the science that suggests to you we need to be more vigilant. Can you connect up from me the use of single-use plastic to the danger to fish and the oceans.

Sophia: 12:41 My specialty is not plastic, but I'll do my best. So when you use a piece of plastic, it might go to the landfill and the thing about land is that most of it is uphill from the ocean and water flows down. So if something on land gets into water, whether it's like a creek or river, eventually it's going to make its way to the ocean and on its way. It gets broken down into smaller and smaller pieces, but those pieces don't go away for really, really long time and the animals eat the plastics which can fill up their stomachs and give them a false sense of being full, which means they might starve to death thinking that they're full.

Lisa: 13:23 I'm probably just generally messes with their digestive system, I would guess. Yeah, like it seems like getting a belly full of plastic can't be good for you.

Sophia: 13:33 Yeah. Because the ecosystems are really interconnected and anything that effects one piece usually end up effecting the entire network.

Lisa: 13:40 You mentioned earlier that you can learn about it and then draw on the knowledge of someone else's research in another area and if I understand correctly that that's what happens in Heirs, is everyone has a particular topic they go deeper in.

Sophia: 13:54 So when we originally began, we each chose a focus area which was something that we were really interested in or passionate about and I chose Pacific Bluefin tuna and I got to know about their physiology, about what sorts of things affect them. But as I was doing that, my friend Cambria was studying plastic pollution. And some of the issues are bigger, so you might have multiple people taking on plastic pollution like Cambria did…and so did Arjun and Charley.  And they all work on different facets of that issue and Charley and I are both working on different facets of problematic fishing practices. So I'm looking at how they directly impact the ecosystems in ways that are related to overfishing. While on the other hand, Charley looks at derelict fishing gear, which is fishing gear that has escaped the purview of the fishermen and is unintentionally harming marine life.

Lisa: 14:52 Got It. And then what's your focus around tuna?

Sophia: 14:56 So my focus areas are Pacific Bluefin tuna, sharks and problematic fishing practices.

Lisa: 15:03 And from your studies, what would you say could make a difference in the way that I either see those particular animals or see the ocean or see my behavior in the world?

Sophia: 15:12 Can I just say thank you so much? Because I am going to get to talk about tuna and I don't get to do that so much anymore.  The thing about tuna is that they're actually really, really cool. My specific ones, the ones I studied, Pacific Bluefin tuna can swim 30 miles per hour. They're massive and they're endothermic, so they're warm blooded, so to speak. It's not the sort of thing you think about when you look at tuna in a can, it's like, “oh look, a small circle of flesh, lovely”. But they're actually these massive warm-blooded, athletic fish which are being fished beyond what their populations can sustain. Pacific Bluefin tuna are specifically desired for sushi and their populations are really not doing well. According to the 2016 Stock Assessment, they were around 2.7% of their un-fished population.

Lisa: 16:16 Wow. So that means those of us who loves Sushi should reduce our consumption of tuna to support the regrowth of, of that population.

Sophia: 16:25 Yeah. Yeah. It's just those particular fish are not doing very well at the moment and they should, if we are able to restrain ourselves…there's actually a chance of them regaining their population after a decade or a couple decades, but they're being fished so much at the moment that we need to restrain our consumption of them.

Lisa: 16:51 You know what? I'm really glad that you told me that and I really appreciate it because my understanding was the sea bass was endangered and so it's something that I have been vigilant about not eating. I didn't actually realize that tuna was so endangered.

Sophia: 17:04 Yeah. In some species are doing better than the Pacific Bluefin. The Pacific Bluefin are just the ones that I'm particularly interested in, and that are doing particularly badly. The Atlantic Bluefin are doing slightly better. They were about as bad as the Pacific Bluefin for a while, but they've begun to get new restrictions and protections for them and they're starting to recuperate.

Lisa: 17:27 So do you get involved in advocacy as a group or individually?

Sophia: 17:31 Yeah, actually in May of 2017, I went with a number of my fellow Heirs to Washington, DC for the Blue Vision Summit and talked to representatives for congresspeople, including Kamala Harris about a number of bills that we wanted supported.

Lisa: 17:50 So going back to the idea of what kids can do, you're a great example of a group of kids who are making a stance and taking action and requesting that our representatives make changes to bills that could impact the causes that you care about. That can influence adults and policy makers on implementing changes. Great. I think it's really amazing and cool. And I want to talk a bit about your book because you're an author, you've written a book.  Tell me a little bit about your book because I seem to remember having something to do with tuna.

Sophia: 18:21 So my book is called “Of Fish and Friends” and it meshes the ocean science that I've been studying with Heirs and the messages we're trying to get out, with a Superhero narrative…and adventure. The main characters are a girl named Kimiko and her friend Aiden, and they're both homeschooled.  And they discover they have super powers which are based on a marine organisms, so Kimiko's are based on Pacific Bluefin Tuna, which include, as I was talking about earlier…she is impervious to temperature, which might be a little bit, it is a little bit exaggerated.

Lisa: 18:21 Artistic license!

Sophia: 19:04 Um, she can also swim or run at 30 miles per hour, like the tuna upon which her powers are based.

Lisa: 19:11 And the other character? 

Sophia: 19:13 Aiden's powers are based on the common octopus so he can camouflage himself and he can fit through very small spaces. He can squeeze his entire body through spaces about as big as his fist.

Lisa: 19:24 That sounds really, really great.  So tell me now a little bit about the process. You're 14 years old and you've written a book. I mean there are a ton of adults who would like to complete a book. So tell me a little bit about your process. Like how did it come about that you envisioned this book and that you actually went through the whole process of completing it?

Sophia: 19:44 So in October of 2016, the Heirs in the Founding Group were all asked to write something to educate about our focus areas and at the time my focus area was Pacific Bluefin tuna, so I had the idea, along with a couple of my fellow Heirs, to have Super Powers based on marine organisms…and because I was the one writing it because I had had some precedent for writing novels and that sort of thing. In the past I decided to write a novel about this concept and over November of 2016 and actually a bit into December and January, but most of the work was in November. I wrote the novel and then I worked with a number of people to get it edited and get it self published.

Lisa: 20:32 Before we get to the publishing. Did you do, what's it called? Nano…

Sophia: 20:37 Nanowrimo, yeah. More or less. I had done Nanowrimo for the past two years and I decided to try to do it in November because the initial draft was actually due in early December. I'd actually been planning on doing that because my mom tends to give me November off so that I can write.

Lisa: 21:08 Nice. So I love that you're talking about Super Powers because as you know, that's the topic of my podcast. So one of the things I ask all of my guests is to tell me a little bit about what they see as their special skill set or their superpower…what they're really particularly good at or what makes them special. So what do you think your Super Power?

Sophia: 21:27 I have a hard time describing anything I do as a Super Power…or any of the things that have accomplished as correlated to my ability to directly because most of those things I wouldn't have been able to do if I were in other positions. If I hadn't been able to take November off because I was homeschooled, then I might not have been able to write the novel. If I hadn't had these friends, I wouldn't have been able to be in Heirs. So I have trouble saying that my accomplishments are because of myself, when I feel like a lot of them could easily have been someone else if they had had the same privileges that I do.

Lisa: 22:08 I really appreciate you recognizing your privilege and the fact that we do stand on the shoulders of what we've been given. And I salute your humility. But I'm going to push you anyway. And I'm going to say if you were to… because one of my premises is that in our culture there isn't enough recognition, there isn't enough celebration of our strengths. And the more we can identify our strengths and notice them and celebrate them, the more we can actually amplify them, use them and contribute to serving the world in whatever way it is that we, we, we choose to do so. So given that context, I'm going to push you a little more and say, after you've acknowledged with humility all the privilege that's gotten you where you are, what would you say your superpowers are? What are your strengths?

Sophia: 22:54 I mentioned earlier that I don't really do well with authority and I think that that's actually kind of correlated to one of the things that has helped me be able to do a lot of this stuff and that is I'm open with what I say. I'm less afraid of the consequences and that to some degree comes from privileges. The consequences aren't necessarily as much for me as they would be for other people.  But I think to some degree I just don't really listen to the status quo per se. I'm more likely to say what I believe in…to say the things that I see wrong with the world and to try to fight against those things. Even if the normal thing to do would be to ignore them.

Lisa: 23:44 So what I hear you is that one of your superpowers is the courage to speak your mind and to say what's really true and to fight for what you believe is important. Does that seem right?

Sophia: 23:52 Yeah, and I think to some degree I might also have in maybe unusual ability for my age to be able to articulate some of the things that I'm thinking about. So hopefully I phrase them in a way that can make a difference.

Lisa: 24:08 Well, I have to say that I concur with that. I'm amazed and impressed at your ability to articulate what you think and what you'd like to see and your ideas. And I'm wondering, is that just natural or did that come from a lot of reading or how do you think you got there?  Another premise I have is that when we have a skill it's hard for us to really know it and understand it and be able to see where it came from because it's like the water we swim in. So I'm not surprised that you have no idea, but what are some thoughts?

Sophia: 24:38 I do come from a very verbal family. I mean my dad is a psychologist, so his job is spending time talking to people about their problems and synthesizing it.  And my mom is a religion major and they're both really educated, so there was a pretty high vocabulary at my house as I was growing up.  When I was 10  I wrote a novel and it was frankly awful. Looking back at it, my grammar was horrendous, but I wrote a novel. 

Lisa: 25:15 That's amazing. They say, you know, you have to start somewhere and you're going to actually have more impact and more success if you start with Imperfectly Done rather than Perfectly Not Done. So that's great. And it's true. When you're surrounded by people using fully fleshed out vocabulary and language, you absorb it. So I know this is the dreaded question for people your age, but do you have some thinking already about where you're headed in the future or is that something that you're not really thinking about yet? Preferring to be in the moment…

Sophia: 25:50 I wouldn't say that I'm in the moment cause I spend a lot of time thinking about the future in a more abstract or big picture sense.

Lisa: 25:59 What are you imagining or envisioning your high school years to look like?

Sophia: 26:03 To some degree, the plan has always been to start a concurrent college around 15 or 16.  So I might go to a Community College first and then transfer from there to a more traditional four year college. That's the plan. I'm not entirely sure how it's going to work out.

Lisa: 26:21 A lot of people are really surprised to find out that Independent Learners actually are able to do concurrent college early and are really amazed by it. But really, one way that we are lucky here, our independent learning community is lucky, is that the junior colleges are quite receptive to people who have the ability to do their coursework. So sounds like you're planning on taking advantage of that.

Sophia: 26:42 Yeah. Yeah, and I've actually had a lot of friends over the years who've done that, so it's always kind of been the plan for me just because that's been what people do.

Lisa: 26:52 I'm mentioning it now I guess because I think it's important for people to realize that there are lots of options in education and that's just one of the options that not everyone is aware of. So it sounds like writing is always been an interest to you as well as obviously marine biology. Do you have a sense of what you'll be doing in your young adulthood or later?

Sophia: 27:12 Um, since I was about 10, my plan has been to grow up and be a novelist. It's been more unclear, more gray since I started doing marine science work. At this point I'm thinking I'll probably end up doing some sort of amalgamation of those two. There are other more, very much more far-fetched careers that would be really cool.

Lisa: 27:39 You're a dancer too, aren't you?

Sophia: 27:39 Sort of. It's a hobby. I actually started dance because I spent all my time writing novels and my mom told me that I had to actually have some sort of exercise. I've done some performing around that and that's fun, but I definitely don't think ballet would be my performing arts calling.

Lisa: 28:01 OK, so then when you say there are certain far-fetched career aspirations, what would be an example of something that's pretty far-fetched and way out there?

Sophia: 28:10 Well, for as long as I can remember, I've been listening to musical theater songs…like Broadway. I basically grew up with “Wicked” and it's always been some sort of dream-type thing to do Broadway acting, but yeah, it's…

Lisa: 28:29 Do you do any kind of musical theater performing or training?

Sophia: 28:31 Nope, just listening to music and the closest thing I've done to musical theater is classical ballet, so related but different. Very different.

Lisa: 28:44 Do you have any other favorite musicals?

Sophia: 28:45 I like Hamilton pretty well, but I guess many, many, many people do too. 

Lisa: 28:45 Les Mis?

Sophia: 28:53 No, actually I haven't heard very much of Les Mis. We tried to listen to Les Mis for a little while, but we only did like three songs.

Lisa: 29:01 You have to listen to the whole thing for it to make sense.

Sophia: 29:03 Yeah. It's like…there's a lady and she sad and there are people in a war and I don't get what's going on. around. OK. Um,

Lisa: 29:11 OK. So I have a couple more questions and then we'll wrap. What would you say are the things that give you great joy and happiness in your life?

Sophia: 29:19 Recently? That would be my friends mostly in Heirs.  My friends in Heirs are my friends. They're my comrades. We've been through a lot together. I mean, I don't think there are many other people who I have been that emotionally open with because the work we're doing is scary a lot of the time. And I don't know that there are many other friends who I've cried with in front of a documentary watching albatrosses die. I don't think there have been many friends where I've held hands with them, racing through the airport and missed our flight and then spent six hours traveling, trying to reach the right place. We've memorized three different 450minute long spiels.Yes, my friends in Heirs, they give me strength. I've been through a lot with them.  In this line of work, per say, there aren't very many kids my age who can identify with what I'm doing, who I can be completely open with about the devastation. And the sadness.  And I think…sorry, I'm getting a little teary. My friends in Heirs, I think without them I couldn't do this work.

Lisa: 30:46 I'm feeling kind of emotional myself because what I hear you saying and I think it's really powerful, is that there's something incredibly bonding and community building and connecting about having a shared mission and a shared vision, in that you share the darkest parts of it and the fight and the, like you said, the sadness and the devastation, but also the impact. You have a shared connection in what you're trying to create together.

Sophia: 31:15 Yeah. I do have a habit of focusing on the bad stuff, but it would be wrong not to mention that while we have shared many sad moments, there have also been some euphoric moments. There's nothing quite like coming out of a congress person's office, you know, and seeing the impact that you've had. And just a last Friday we presented to the school and we came out and we all knew we could all feel the accomplishment that we've had together. From that darkness has emerged a lot of joy as well.

Lisa: 32:03 I mean you are together taking on a huge project that could make such a difference to the world than I have to imagine that doing that work together is incredibly bonding and you feel a real kinship with them.

Sophia: 32:18 Yeah, and we don't always get along. I've gotten in arguments with a lot of them.

Lisa: 32:22 And that's pretty normal too, taking on something that's important to you.

Sophia: 32:25 Yeah. Yeah. But I think my friends bring me the most joy at the moment.

Lisa: 32:29 That's great. So I just want to say thank you so much. Thanks for taking the time to talk with me and really, thank you so much for the work you're doing with Heirs and being a young person in the world making a difference and speaking up and having your voice heard. I can't tell you how important I see that as being. So, I just want to say thank you for keeping on speaking up and doing more than you're being such a model for not just other kids and other teenagers, but for all of us adults too.

Lisa: 32:59 So that's our show for today. Please consider purchasing Sophia's book “Of Fish and Friends”, the profits from which support Heirs to Our Oceans. 

Lisa: 33:23 If you enjoyed this show today, please help us reach more people. Maybe you know someone who is curious about homeschooling or who has a cause and needs some inspiration. Maybe you know someone who would love to support Heirs to Our Oceans and the initiatives they have going. You can like our Facebook page.

Lisa: 33:44 Thank you so much for being here my lovelies. I know your time is valuable and I appreciate your attention. Join us again next week and every Thursday and for now be good, be bold and be brave.

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